. >> a lot of things that nasa is doing is not as visible either. so people have the impression that nothing is going on. the problem of having a more diffuse set of goals is that it's harder to keep the team focused and the public will focused on it. that seems to require more care and feeding. in terms of the technology, developing capabilities to send people beyond the earth orbit and into deep space on a fairly permanent basis and having rockets able to do that are the key to doing that and that is in the program. that is now being worked on. it's just perhaps faster with more money but it is still progressing. >> well, there are these ambitious goals that nasa has. talk about going to mars. having said that, at the same time, we were hearing today about this colorado-based company. they just said yesterday that they plan to send privately funded and built spacecraft to the moon by 2020. they say 15 to 20 nations are interested in those missions and it's much cheaper than nasa can do it for. >> as space technology advances, the things that we di